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Submitted on Apr 30, 21:13 ET
US17 - End Too Big To Fail
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If the government determines that a financial institution is Too Big To Fail (TBTF), they should require the institution to break up into smaller pieces. This determination should depend on analysis of failure scenarios under stress conditions given existing resolution authority.

Several banks are likely TBTF right now, and they should be broken up along Glass-Steagall lines with retail/commercial banking split from investment banking. Ordinary deposits should be used to make loans according to years of safe practice, separate from risky and innovative adventures in investment banking.
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TBTF banks are a liability, because when they do fail (and they will), they bring down the whole economy. Result - "DEPRESSION 2.0". TBTF means we back them with our tax dollars until we have no more to give or borrow, and then, that bankrupts us all. It's unending until we're broke! It's sad that we have a government that supports the banks instead of it's people. It is a result of our bought congress.
Submitted by SparkyJP on Sep 6, 12:49 ET
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Redesign the financial sector to invest in the productive economy, businesses trying to make products and offer new services, rather than this trading casino.
Submitted by Bernie Sanders on Sep 10, 22:24 ET
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Like most Montanans, Jon doesn’t believe in bailouts or the notion that a private company can be “too big to fail.”

Submitted by Jon Tester on Oct 25, 15:41 ET
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The government should not bail out companies. No matter the size of the company, the government should let the company fail. They can split the company into smaller pieces during the liquidation process to evolve into smaller and potentially more successful companies. However, I don't think the government should have the power to restrict the size of the company. It should be a natural evolution in the economic model.

Submitted by gtrorr on Jun 8, 14:37 ET
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If you are to big to fail the government should let you fail!  Look, the US gov't has no constitutional authority to do this. The natural course is to let the company fall. GM was stolen by Obama and given to the unions at great expense and it went to Bankruptcy away.
Submitted by oldagg on Nov 6, 08:04 ET
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started by Kriptini on Aug 20
last reply by Evangelina on Nov 16

Credit Unions > Banks (2 replies)

I agree we have been made to subsidize, by way of the bail-out, Wall Street's irresponsible behavior.  And we have become enablers of their bad behaviors  - Hedge Funds should be done away with.  Goldman Sachs has continued their insane profit making schemes unabated by the near collapse and nothing is being done to them....talk about Too Big AND Powerful to touch....thanks to their lobbyists! Paulson being one of THEM.  He was like a weasel in the hen house and we all paid the price for it.  We can only hope that investment banks and financial banks will be TRULY separated and that there won't be any "strings" attached, if this legislation is repealed in it's entirety.
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started by GregOrr on Sep 18

More perplexing when you think about countries

Preventing any entities from being too big to fail becomes more complicated when you think of countries. Is the US too big to fail, i.e., if the US went bankrupt would the rest of the world be able to recover well enough and continue making progress? We may see about the EU...

Or is it financial institutions in particular whose interrelation, complexity, and nonsensically large notional values create explosive risk?

It would be interesting to list the entities we consider too big to fail and see how they contribute to overall failure risk. Is it possible to keep them all from being too big to fail? If not, should we try to consolidate this risk in one entity and hope that limited vulnerability never becomes a problem, or should we spread this risk out and scrambling to fix the messes when they occur?
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started by GregOrr on Jun 10
last reply by SparkyJP on Sep 14

But what if you know the economy will collapse if it fails? (1 reply)

It's closer to a "Postpone Meltdown" button. After they extract the taxpayer's money to pay for Wall St's gambling; and we're out of bullets and money because of their greed; the collapse will occur anyway and the transfer of wealth will be complete. It will just be harder and longer because of the bailouts. Backstopping depository banks (as before the repeal of glass steagall) is important ................ but NOT the casino banks!

Moral hazard is a situation where a party will have a tendency to take risks because the costs that could incur will not be felt by the party taking the risk. A moral hazard may occur where the actions of one party may change to the detriment of another after a transaction has taken place. And what will keep them from returning in the future with their hand out?

Without addressing the structural problems that got us here in the first place; just handing the banks our money, will lead us to the poor farm ........ no matter how many buttons you have.
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started by GregOrr on Sep 6

See our DailyKos discussion/poll

Our discussion/poll at DailyKos. All positive so far.
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started by ChiChan on Aug 21

Shouldn't be able to cap the size of the company?

We already have something like that. It's called a monopoly. If a company shows risk of becoming so large that it monopolizes something, that company is forced to break into smaller bits.

Unfortunately, I have yet to see anything done about the Monsanto monopoly that is quickly becoming more obvious!
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started by BillO on May 3
last reply by GregOrr on May 16

Too Big To Fail (4 replies)

You make a good point, Sparky. Government's subjective assessment of TBTF may be prone to overlook problems, and megabanks weren't really TBTF until Glass-Steagall was repealed and there was massive consolidation between depository banks, investment banks, and insurance companies.

Could have both policies for extra protection.
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